Discussion:
The rich pay less taxes
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Rudy Canoza
2013-11-02 16:05:56 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?

In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.

The rich pay far more than their share.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 17:10:49 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.

Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
That means the rich get 25% of income and their
income tax payments cover about 13% of federal expenditures.

They are paying closer to half their share.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-02 17:16:08 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-02 17:19:07 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.



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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 18:25:53 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?

Here is the complete breakdown of the federal outlays
and receipts. Maybe if you whine loud enough, someone will
do your research for you.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
First-Post
2013-11-02 18:46:10 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?
Here is the complete breakdown of the federal outlays
and receipts. Maybe if you whine loud enough, someone will
do your research for you.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
Once again the stupid liberal presents a non sequitor as an argument.

You have no argument and you aren't fooling anyone.

But please continue to show the world just how ignorant you are with
your stupid parroted liberal talking points that lead nowhere.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 19:24:05 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?
Here is the complete breakdown of the federal outlays
and receipts. Maybe if you whine loud enough, someone will
do your research for you.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
Once again the stupid liberal presents a non sequitor as an argument.
What argument??? The guy asked a stupid question. If
he thinks the answer is meaningful he can find the
answer for himself.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-02 20:02:49 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?
What are you, some left-leaning lying sack of shit?

The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 20:20:37 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
They only pay for 13% while they get 25% of income.

That looks like about half their share to me.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-02 20:39:37 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 21:13:44 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
They don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
That was the false claim in dispute.
First-Post
2013-11-02 22:11:37 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
They don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
That was the false claim in dispute.
You have yet to show a goddamned bit of any proof whatsoever to back
up your stupid assed claims.

Just what taxes in particular is it that you think the wealthy don't
pay their fair share of if you eliminate income tax from the equation?

Sales taxes? Pretty sure that they buy more consumer goods and higher
quality than average Joes therefore they pay more in sales taxes.

Federal excise taxes? They typically buy higher end and more
expensive products such as vehicles, tires and all the other items
that carry an excise tax.

Fuel taxes? If they have a private plane they pay more in fuel taxes
in just a couple of cross country trips than regular Joes usually pay
in a year.

As far as their share of government expenditures is concerned, it is
neither theirs or any of the rest of us's fault that the "kids over
spend their allowance".
Your piddly little whiney argument that the government's lack of
fiscal responsibility is because the wealthy aren't paying in enough
taxes has always been and always will be just a pathetic joke.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 00:13:41 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
They don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
That was the false claim in dispute.
You have yet to show a goddamned bit of any proof whatsoever to back
up your stupid assed claims.
Its not my claim.

I stated facts to that refute a claim someone else made.
The fact is
The rich have 25% of the income and their income
tax pays for 13% of the federal spending.

That looks like they pay about half their share to me.
Post by First-Post
Just what taxes in particular is it that you think the wealthy don't
pay their fair share of if you eliminate income tax from the equation?
i didn't say anything about eliminating income tax???
You need to straighten your eyeballs - you're reading crooked.

The bullshit story you keep hearing is that the 47% haven't
been paying income tax. So what? Income tax has been covering
less than 30% of federal spending. The income taxpayers get
80% of the income and they pay for less than 30% of the federal
spending. Is that fair?
There is no redistribution of the taxpayer's wealth. The
taxpayers aren't even covering close to their share of the
spending.
Post by First-Post
Your piddly little whiney argument that the government's lack of
fiscal responsibility is because the wealthy aren't paying in enough
taxes has always been and always will be just a pathetic joke.
Never made that claim. I stated a few facts that destroy
the bullshit story you cling to.

I stated a fact that you don't like...
The income tax of the top 1% only covers 13% of federal
spending while they receive 25% of income.

If you look at all income taxpayers its even worse. All
those taxpayers get 80% of the income and they have been paying
for less than 30% of federal spending.

And lets look at who does most of the real work.
that would be the half of the country who make 20%
of the income.
Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
2013-11-03 00:53:06 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
The rich have 25% of the income and their income
tax pays for 13% of the federal spending.
That looks like they pay about half their share to me.
No, about twice their share. They USE about 3% of federal spending.

20% of the public consumes 80% of the national budget. (mostly in the form
of welfare and 'free services' like hospitalization, free medicines, )

Let THEM pay their full share, then start squawking about the tiny
remainder who don't!

Lloyd
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 11:42:59 UTC
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The rich have 25% of the income and their income
tax pays for 13% of the federal spending.
That looks like they pay about half their share to me.
No, about twice their share. They USE about 3% of federal spending.
Let see you come up with some legitimate data to back
that claim.
Post by Lloyd E. Sponenburgh
20% of the public consumes 80% of the national budget. (mostly in the form
of welfare and 'free services' like hospitalization, free medicines, )
If you take all of social security, health, welfare and
Medicare from the federal budget the govt is still spending
more than what individual income tax payers pay in.

Look at the budget items by function for last year (2012):

Defense and veterans benefits 801 billion
physical resources (transportation parks, etc) 215 billion
Interest paid out 220 billion
general govt (justice, international affairs etc) 178 billion

Total spent 1414 billion

individual income tax collected 1132 billion
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 11:25:28 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
They don't pay for their share of the goodies [..]
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 12:16:58 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for being brain dead.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 12:54:10 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for [..]
...reminding you of what we're talking about. I know it gets tough
with your ADD and all.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 13:47:38 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for [..]
...reminding you of what we're talking about.
You keep reminding me that there are facts you don't
want to hear. To wit:

The top 1% pay for 13% of federal govt expenditures.
the rich receive 25% of income.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 14:54:03 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for [..]
...reminding you of what we're talking about.
You keep reminding me that [..]
And you seem too stupid to get it. Why is that, Jimmy?
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 15:01:58 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for admitting you're brain dead.
...reminding you of what we're talking about.
You keep reminding me that there are facts you don't
The top 1% pay for 13% of federal govt expenditures.
the rich receive 25% of income.
And you seem too stupid to get it.
I get that you snip the facts you don't want to hear.

For instance, you will snip these facts:

The top 1% receive 25% of income and yet their
income tax pays for only 13% of federal spending.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 15:17:58 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
they don't pay for their share of the goodies and
services from the federal govt.
Thanks for admitting that they pay more than their fair share of
income tax.
Thanks for admitting you're brain dead.
...reminding you of what we're talking about.
You keep reminding me that there are facts you don't
The top 1% pay for 13% of federal govt expenditures.
the rich receive 25% of income.
And you seem too stupid to get it.
I get that you snip the facts [..]
You mean the fact that the rich pay the majority of income taxes?

Why would I snip that?
R. Dean
2013-11-05 20:17:41 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
They only pay for 13% while they get 25% of income.
That looks like about half their share to me.
What do you think could cut government expenditures to equal
government revenues? The Rich are no responsible for government
spending.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-05 21:34:54 UTC
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The rich pay more than their fair share of income tax. That's a fact.
They don't pay their share of federal govt spending.
They only pay for 13% while they get 25% of income.
That looks like about half their share to me.
What do you think could cut government expenditures to equal
government revenues? The Rich are no responsible for government
spending.
If federal spending was cut down to equal federal revenue
a large portion of the private sector (many of them who
are rich) would soon go broke.

Balance the budget and the downward economic spiral that
started in 2008 would resume and the US would be again in a
debt-deflation depression far worse than the Great
Depression.

And just like the Great Depression the rich have far
more to lose than anyone else.

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R. Dean
2013-11-06 22:56:54 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?
Here is the complete breakdown of the federal outlays
and receipts. Maybe if you whine loud enough, someone will
do your research for you.
If the government were to take 100% of the income the rich have
it still would no balance the budget. The Gov would still be
spending more than it takes in. Thanks to Bush and Obama.
But taxing the rich doesn't work. GE for example a corp tight
with Obama earned 14 billion dollars in 2011 and paid zero
in income taxes. The super rich set up off-shore accounts which
are off limits to the IRS. However, the small business owner is
not, and this is where most jobs are created. By taxing these
businesses, they cannot expand their business and hire additional
employes.
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 00:40:19 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax. Note how you have to shuck and
jive and twist to convince yourself.
He still can't explain where the remainder -- apparently an ever
changing figure at 67 percent today -- is derived.
What are you some helpless kitten stuck in a tree?
Here is the complete breakdown of the federal outlays
and receipts. Maybe if you whine loud enough, someone will
do your research for you.
If the government were to take 100% of the income the rich have
it still would no balance the budget.
So who said it would? I haven't suggested any additional
tax on the rich.

I'm simply pointing out a truth you don't like to
hear and that is that the rich don't pay for very
much of federal spending with their income tax.
The top 1% pay for about 13% while they receive
about 25% of the income. There is no reason to
be whining and bemoaning the awful tax plight of the
rich. Go find some other group who actually is being
treated unfairly to cry about.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 18:21:38 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
First-Post
2013-11-02 18:39:43 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions share
or not.

Now run along and go babble about how everyone should "suffer equally"
from taxation where someone might give a shit.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 19:14:26 UTC
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Post by First-Post
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions share
or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.

The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.

You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
Rudy Canoza
2013-11-02 19:42:45 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by First-Post
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions share
or not.
It's irrelevant to
Expenditure is irrelevant to the topic.
Johnny Johnson
2013-11-06 20:18:13 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes
still made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to
Internal Revenue Service data. And this doesn't even count income
that doesn't show up as adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt
interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but
they pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
"Spin" this, Jimmy:

John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit, raise taxes! There
are lots of rich people around, squandering money. On my show, David Callahan
of the group Demos put it this way: "Wealthy Americans who have done so well
in the past decade should help get us out."

But it's a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will solve our
deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million,
the take would be just $616 billion. That's only a third of this year's
deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.

It's the spending, stupid.
...
Progressives want to take more money from some---by force---and spend much of
it on programs that have repeatedly failed. It sounds less noble when plainly
stated.

Progressives claim an increase in tax rates won't stop producers from
producing. But they presumably understand that people don't work for free.
When the top marginal rate was 90 percent, actor Ronald Reagan worked just
half the year. As soon as he made enough money such that every additional
dollar was taxed at 90 percent, he stopped working and went off to ride
horses. Reagan later said that woke him up to the damage that high taxes
impose.

Maryland created a special "tax on the rich" that legislators said would
bring in $106 million. Instead, the state lost $257 million. Some of
Maryland's rich just left the state. When New York state hiked its income tax
on millionaires, billionaire Tom Golisano moved to Florida, which has no
personal income tax. "[M]y personal income tax last year would've been
$13,800 a day," he told us. "Would you like to write a check for $13,800 a
day to a state government, as opposed to moving to another state?"
...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2012/04/03/john-stossel-tax-the-rich-
the-rich-dont-have-enough-really/

Also:

What The Combined Wealth Of All 1,426 Billionaires Could Do
By Brian Solomon, Forbes Staff
...
If they were feeling charitable, they could donate the money [their combined
wealth of $5.431T] to the U.S. national debt, but that would only pay it down
by a third."
...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2013/03/04/what-the-combined-wealth-
of-all-1426-billionaires-could-do/
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-06 21:04:25 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-06 22:23:44 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Every sentence in that paragraph is pure leftist credo. Money doesn't
mean anything as long as the leftist has his.



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2013-11-07 00:24:11 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Every sentence in that paragraph is pure leftist credo. Money doesn't
mean anything
That is about right.
and
Any complete sentence is pure leftist credo to you.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 00:50:26 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Every sentence in that paragraph is pure leftist credo. Money doesn't
mean anything
That is about right.
and
Any complete sentence is pure leftist credo to you.
Glad to see you agree that unsubstantiated ideology is the order of your
day.



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Jim Wilkins
2013-11-06 23:28:06 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I'm not worried about the deficit.
So you are a dupe or shill for the Chinese government's loan-to-own
scheme.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 00:53:18 UTC
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Post by Jim Wilkins
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I'm not worried about the deficit.
So you are a dupe or shill for the Chinese government's loan-to-own
scheme.
If the Chinese wanted to own some of this country they would
just use the dollars that the US consumer has given them
and buy real assets. The US consumers have given the Chinese
enough dollars to buy every acre of arable farmland in the US
at today's prices. Instead of buying real assets they have
chosen to put it into securities that pay negative real
interest (that means the interest they collect is
less than the rate of inflation)
RD Sandman
2013-11-07 18:36:37 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Obviously, you don't worry about deficits or overspending, just as you
said.
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Obviously, you don't worry about deficits or overspending, just as you
said.
I don't worry about deficits. I think the federal govt
should spend less and run a higher deficit.
RD Sandman
2013-11-07 20:04:51 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Johnny Johnson
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Which is irrelevant to whether or not the wealthy pay the lions'
share or not.
It's irrelevant to whether they pay the piss ant's share also.
The income tax of the wealthy pays for about 13% of
govt expenditures. That is a fact.
You can spin that to say that is more than a
lion pays and that would be true.
John Stossel: Tax The Rich? The Rich Don't Have Enough. Really.
...
Progressives say, if you're so worried about the deficit,
I'm not worried about the deficit. Nor does it bother me that
the top 1% pay income tax covers for 13% of federal spending
while they are given 25% of income. The rich are just like everyone
else. Their portion of federal taxes doesn't cover their
share of the federal benefits.
Obviously, you don't worry about deficits or overspending, just as you
said.
I don't worry about deficits. I think the federal govt
should spend less and run a higher deficit.
Then you want some more serious budget cutting than what has been
proposed.
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2013-11-07 20:12:55 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I don't worry about deficits. I think the federal govt
should spend less and run a higher deficit.
Then you want some more serious budget cutting than what has been
proposed.
Proof positive that you rightards don't know what "deficit" means.
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2013-11-07 20:48:42 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I don't worry about deficits. I think the federal govt
should spend less and run a higher deficit.
Then you want some more serious budget cutting than what has been
proposed.
Proof positive that you rightards don't know what "deficit" means.
Why don't you step up to the plate and define it, mon ami?
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2013-11-06 21:17:02 UTC
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2013 14:18:13 -0600, Johnny Johnson
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by Johnny Johnson
If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income over $1 million,
the take would be just $616 billion. That's only a third of this year's
deficit. Our national debt would continue to explode.
<snip>

While this is correct from a strictly accounting
perspective, the collateral effects of grossly increased/
significantly more steeply progressive income taxes and a
possible wealth levy, reducing their aggregated wealth to
human/mortal levels would have considerably larger (and
IMNSHO, very positive) effects such as forcing them to live
in the same world everyone else, and limiting their
socio-political influence to reasonable levels, e.g. no more
Soroses, Bloombergs, Murdochs, Singers, or Koch Brothers.

With their undue socio-political influence removed,
sane/rational legislation could at last be enacted such as a
revised IRS code, reasonable SEC/CFTC/FTC regulations could
be issued to prevent/limit economic disruptions, and logical
foreign/immigration policies, all of which put the long-term
best interests of the majority first, could be created and
implemented.

It is not the hyper rich are intrinsically bad people,
rather they are simply toxic for the rest of us, due to
their drive for more, MORE, *MORE!*; denial of the problems
their actions cause (such as massive unemployment, poverty,
de-industrialization, and in far too many cases war); and
their isolation from the world and ethical standards most of
us must live in/by. History shows the hyper rich are
antithetical to, and a significant danger for, all
representative forms of government, particularly republics.
Baxter
2013-11-06 21:20:22 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
But it's a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will
solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income
over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That's only a
third of this year's deficit. Our national debt would continue to
explode.
The federal deficit for 2013 is $680 billion.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/news/economy/deficit-2013-treasury/

Do note that the richest 400 pay an _effective_ income tax rate of only 17%
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2013-11-07 18:38:30 UTC
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Post by Baxter
Post by Johnny Johnson
But it's a fantasy to imagine that raising taxes on the rich will
solve our deficit problem. If the IRS grabbed 100 percent of income
over $1 million, the take would be just $616 billion. That's only a
third of this year's deficit. Our national debt would continue to
explode.
The federal deficit for 2013 is $680 billion.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/news/economy/deficit-2013-treasury/
Do note that the richest 400 pay an _effective_ income tax rate of only 17%
http://tinyurl.com/76vqfra Income distribution in the US - 2005

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/currentdistribution.cfm Share
of federal taxes by income quintile

http://tinyurl.com/6lo96ox Share of income and federal taxes by income
quintile

http://tinyurl.com/6un84af Share of total net worth and income by
quintile

http://tinyurl.com/ygzop9w Percentage of income taxes

http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/24944.html Top 1% v Bottom 95%

http://tinyurl.com/6e7ooak Top 1% - what they make and what they pay
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2013-11-02 19:41:40 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right
Right. So stay on topic.

The rich pay a higher percentage of income tax than their share of income.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 20:06:12 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Right. So stay on topic.
The rich pay a higher percentage of income tax than their share of income.
They pay for only about 13% of federal spending.
They get about 25% of income.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-02 20:03:38 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.

Need a clue by four or can you find the facts yourself?
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 20:17:13 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-02 20:40:21 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers [..]
Irrelevant to the discussion.

The rich pay FAR more than their fair share of income tax. That's the
fact being denied by leftist thugs here.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-02 21:19:06 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers [..]
Irrelevant to the discussion.
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.

The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
The rich pay FAR more than their fair share of income tax. That's the
fact being denied by leftist thugs here.
Who gives a shit what leftist thugs say?
Sancho Panza
2013-11-02 23:05:18 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers [..]
Irrelevant to the discussion.
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
The rich pay FAR more than their fair share of income tax. That's the
fact being denied by leftist thugs here.
Who gives a shit what leftist thugs say?
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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 00:19:25 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
Do you mean this:

The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.

Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-03 02:16:03 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.



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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 02:40:32 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.

You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
First-Post
2013-11-03 02:54:43 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.

Your non sequitor response to the question posed by the poster just
proves that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You could end any argument immediately if you simply gave a
straightforward answer that actually proved your point.
So far you have presented nothing relevant to the topic of the thread
which has to do with taxes and who pays how much.
But since you are well aware that the real numbers do not add up in
your favor you have done nothing but attempt to sidestep and distract
from the actual topic.

You are a loser and are the only one posting in this thread that
doesn't see it.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 11:14:07 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
I never argued that the rich pay less.

I simply point out that the top 1% get 25% of income and
yet pay for only 13% of federal govt outlays with their
income tax.
All individual taxpayers have been paying for less than
30% of govt while they have been receiving about 80% of
national income.

Those aren't arguments those are statements of fact.
Post by First-Post
You could end any argument immediately if you simply gave a
straightforward answer that actually proved your point.
There is no argument. There is just you squirming and
dancing to avoid looking at data.

Here is the OMB data
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals

Take an example of what you find there:
Individual income tax collected $920 billion in
2009. The federal govt spent $3.5 trillion.
That works out to 26% of spending was covered by
individual income tax payers.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 03:36:10 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
I never argued that the rich pay less.
I simply point out that the top 1% get 25% of income and
yet pay for only 13% of federal govt outlays with their
income tax.
All individual taxpayers have been paying for less than
30% of govt while they have been receiving about 80% of
national income.
Considering that the government numbers for the 2014 fiscal year put the
total revenues from income taxes at 46 percent of the federal pie, that
13 percent of the entire national total actually amounts to nearly 26
percent of the income-tax sector. A figure that correlates with the
income figure for the group.



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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 11:40:34 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
I never argued that the rich pay less.
I simply point out that the top 1% get 25% of income and
yet pay for only 13% of federal govt outlays with their
income tax.
All individual taxpayers have been paying for less than
30% of govt while they have been receiving about 80% of
national income.
Considering that the government numbers for the 2014 fiscal year put the
total revenues from income taxes at 46 percent of the federal pie,
That is false.
Revenue from individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
spending. The federal pie is bigger than total revenue.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-06 22:26:56 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
Your non sequitor response to the question posed by the poster just
proves that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You could end any argument immediately if you simply gave a
straightforward answer that actually proved your point.
So far you have presented nothing relevant to the topic of the thread
which has to do with taxes and who pays how much.
But since you are well aware that the real numbers do not add up in
your favor you have done nothing but attempt to sidestep and distract
from the actual topic.
So once again you remain totally ignorant about who pays for the
remaining 87 percent of federal spending. Your posts more than speak for
a startling lack of knowledge and a hellbent ideology.





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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 00:26:36 UTC
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Post by First-Post
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
Your non sequitor response to the question posed by the poster just
proves that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You could end any argument immediately if you simply gave a
straightforward answer that actually proved your point.
So far you have presented nothing relevant to the topic of the thread
which has to do with taxes and who pays how much.
But since you are well aware that the real numbers do not add up in
your favor you have done nothing but attempt to sidestep and distract
from the actual topic.
So once again you remain totally ignorant about who pays for the
remaining 87 percent of federal spending.
We know that it isn't paid for by the rich with their income tax.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 03:37:50 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
You piss and moan when the
drinking fountains at National parks are turned off because
you like to pretend taxpayers are paying for that shit.
Irrelevant to your argument that the wealthy pay less in taxes.
Your non sequitor response to the question posed by the poster just
proves that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You could end any argument immediately if you simply gave a
straightforward answer that actually proved your point.
So far you have presented nothing relevant to the topic of the thread
which has to do with taxes and who pays how much.
But since you are well aware that the real numbers do not add up in
your favor you have done nothing but attempt to sidestep and distract
from the actual topic.
So once again you remain totally ignorant about who pays for the
remaining 87 percent of federal spending.
We know that it isn't paid for by the rich with their income tax.
As deaf, dumb and blind as your cherished leader. The same ONE who can't
even keep track of his six customers who visit his signature Web site in
a day.



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2013-11-03 03:11:50 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Just ask I'll be happy to post it again.
Until you can explain where the other 67, or now 87, percent of the
income comes from, you don't have a leg to stand on.
Ha ha ha. Sounds like you don't want to hear that the
individual income taxpayers are paying for so little
of government.
So why are you leftards complaining about income tax rates.


And why do you continue to crosspost ot rec.crafts.metalworking/



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Harold Burton
2013-11-03 02:53:47 UTC
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Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Don't think we don't appreciate it, it's probably why so many rich vote
democrat, they keep writing such nice tax laws.


laugh . . . laugh . . . laugh
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 11:01:57 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Sancho Panza
That is rich. One of the biggest bloviators proves himself unable to
post anything but the same old cant.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Don't think we don't appreciate it, it's probably why so many rich vote
democrat, they keep writing such nice tax laws.
Doesn't matter who you give credit to, the fact remains
that the income taxpayer is not paying for the share of
goods and services that they receive from govt.
Harold Burton
2013-11-03 02:52:21 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes
still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to
Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t
show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their
share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but
they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers [..]
Irrelevant to the discussion.
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
The facts you don't like are
that the income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get 25%
of the nation's income.
Don't think we don't appreciate it.


laugh . . . laugh . . . laugh
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 11:26:42 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers [..]
Irrelevant to the discussion.
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 11:37:17 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.

What you run away and hide from is this fact:

The income tax from the top 1% pays for
only 13% of federal spending while they get
25% of the nation's income.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 11:55:21 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.
Of course I am. And I'm talking about the fact that the rich pay most
of the income tax collected.

By far.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 12:12:51 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.
Of course I am. And I'm talking about the fact that the rich pay most
of the income tax collected.
By far.
Even that statement is false.
The top 1% pay for 40% of income tax.
They don't pay most of the income tax collected.

But that fact isn't very meaningful given
that income tax pays for so little of govt. In
the last few years income tax has paid for less
than 30% of the federal govt spending. That means the
total share of govt paid for by the top 1% is only 13%.
Meanwhile their share of income is 25%.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 12:55:35 UTC
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There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.
Of course I am. And I'm talking about the fact that the rich pay most
of the income tax collected.
By far.
Even that statement is false.
No
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
The top 1% pay for 40% of income tax.
I never said the top 1%. Fuckin' A, son, why do you keep moving the
goal posts?
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
They don't pay most of the income tax collected.
The rich pay most of the income tax collected. By far. Hands down. No
question.

You're stupid to even QUESTION it, that's how much of an established
fact it is.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 14:06:11 UTC
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There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.
Of course I am. And I'm talking about the fact that the rich pay most
of the income tax collected.
By far.
Even that statement is false.
No
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
The top 1% pay for 40% of income tax.
I never said the top 1%. Fuckin' A, son, why do you keep moving the
goal posts?
I got news for you nobody is paying any attention to
the fantasy football game you're playing.


Here is another set of facts you don't like.

Those people who pay all of income tax have
been paying less than 30% of federal expenditures.
Those taxpayers receive 80% of total income.

That doesn't look like they are paying their share.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2013-11-03 14:56:20 UTC
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There is no "discussion". You just don't want
to hear the facts, which is why you snip the facts.
No, I snip your bullshit misidrection and swerving. We're talking
about who pays most of the income taxes, and by a large margin, it's
the rich, and everybody knows it.
HA HA HA You're free to babble about whatever
you want.
Of course I am. And I'm talking about the fact that the rich pay most
of the income tax collected.
By far.
Even that statement is false.
No
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
The top 1% pay for 40% of income tax.
I never said the top 1%. Fuckin' A, son, why do you keep moving the
goal posts?
I got news for you [..]
No, you don't. Leftists ALWAYS try to move the goal posts when they
are confronted with facts, if they don't try out and out lies.

We both know the rich pay the LARGE majority of income tax.

"Leftards: batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of
you."
-Harold Burton
Harold Burton
2013-11-03 02:51:31 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal
Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show
up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
Than the Democrat congresses for that.


snicker
R. Dean
2013-11-05 18:00:32 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
Exactly why do you think this matters?
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-05 21:14:10 UTC
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The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
Exactly why do you think this matters?
It doesn't matter to me, but why don't
you ask that to all the idiots in this thread who
have been running away from those facts. It looks like
it matters a lot to them.
Johnny Johnson
2013-11-06 20:27:48 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-06 21:17:57 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.

Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-06 22:22:11 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Can't figure out how to earn capital gains?
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Cite???



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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 00:21:00 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Can't figure out how to earn capital gains?
That would be taking welfare.
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Cite???
There is not much capital gains in hamburger flipping.
Every wage earner that makes between $400 and $105,000 has
a 15% flat tax bite.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 00:46:07 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Can't figure out how to earn capital gains?
That would be taking welfare.
Another clarion demonstration of not understanding even fundamental
economics. Here we have someone who professes to be unable understand
that welfare recipients risk nothing except their self-respect.
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Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Cite???
There is not much capital gains in hamburger flipping.
Every wage earner that makes between $400 and $105,000 has
a 15% flat tax bite.
Cite?


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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 01:10:52 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Can't figure out how to earn capital gains?
That would be taking welfare.
Another clarion demonstration of not understanding even fundamental
economics.
I understand it all right. The rich buy the politicians and
the politicians give a huge tax break to the type of income
that is the major source of earnings for the rich. Its pretty
simple economics.
And then Congress sets it up to hide half the taxes that the
guy flipping burgers has to pay in the hope that no one
will notice the guy flipping burgers is paying a bigger
portion of his income than the billionaire is.

And then they send their minions out to ask me to cry
big crocodile tears for how unfairly the rich are being
treated.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 03:19:07 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Can't figure out how to earn capital gains?
That would be taking welfare.
Another clarion demonstration of not understanding even fundamental
economics. . . .
Aw, c'mon, can't afford the second sentence of a two-sentence point?
Must be too painful, seeing as how it explains the point:

. . . "Here we have someone who professes to be unable understand that
welfare recipients risk nothing except their self-respect."
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I understand it all right. The rich buy the politicians and
the politicians give a huge tax break to the type of income
that is the major source of earnings for the rich. Its pretty
simple economics.
And then Congress sets it up to hide half the taxes that the
guy flipping burgers has to pay in the hope that no one
will notice the guy flipping burgers is paying a bigger
portion of his income than the billionaire is.
And then they send their minions out to ask me to cry
big crocodile tears for how unfairly the rich are being
treated.
And surprise! You even continued snipping two more of your off-the-wall
assertions that you make clear daily come out of a pie hole. Probably in
the hope that people's minds here are as fogged up as yours.
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Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Cite???
There is not much capital gains in hamburger flipping.
Every wage earner that makes between $400 and $105,000 has
a 15% flat tax bite.
Cite?
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jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 12:10:08 UTC
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Aw, c'mon, can't afford the second sentence of a two-sentence point?
. . . "Here we have someone who professes to be unable understand that
welfare recipients risk nothing except their self-respect."
You can call the rich "welfare recipients" if you want. ,It
doesn't matter to me.
Post by Sancho Panza
And surprise! You even continued snipping two more of your off-the-wall
assertions that you make clear daily come out of a pie hole. Probably in
the hope that people's minds here are as fogged up as yours.
Post by Sancho Panza
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Cite???
The federal taxes paid on a hamburger flippers wage is
12.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for medicare. But half
the Medicare is discounted by 93% so the total social
insurance tax is 14.76% of gross pay. Add to that 1% of
the wage for unemployment tax and it comes to a
total of 15.75% that the federal govt collects
from the lowest workers wage.

Romney reported his taxes were 14.1% of his income. Of
course some of his income was sheltered from tax while
all of the hamburger flippers wage was taxed.
Jim Wilkins
2013-11-07 12:42:01 UTC
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I understand it all right. The rich buy the politicians and
the politicians give a huge tax break to the type of income
that is the major source of earnings for the rich. Its pretty
simple economics.
And then Congress sets it up to hide half the taxes that the
guy flipping burgers has to pay in the hope that no one
will notice the guy flipping burgers is paying a bigger
portion of his income than the billionaire is.
And then they send their minions out to ask me to cry
big crocodile tears for how unfairly the rich are being
treated.
It's SO unfair that some people are smarter and adapt to modern
society better than you do.

They must be punished for provoking your envy and dragged down to your
level, since you can't be expected to raise yourself to theirs.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 14:04:40 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I understand it all right. The rich buy the politicians and
the politicians give a huge tax break to the type of income
that is the major source of earnings for the rich. Its pretty
simple economics.
And then Congress sets it up to hide half the taxes that the
guy flipping burgers has to pay in the hope that no one
will notice the guy flipping burgers is paying a bigger
portion of his income than the billionaire is.
And then they send their minions out to ask me to cry
big crocodile tears for how unfairly the rich are being
treated.
It's SO unfair that some people are smarter and adapt to modern
society better than you do.
There you go again whining about what you imagine is unfair.
Post by Jim Wilkins
They must be punished for provoking your envy and dragged down to your
level, since you can't be expected to raise yourself to theirs.
What are you babbling about? Nobody has provoked
my envy. Doesn't matter to me whether you think life
is unfair.
JamesHutchinson
2013-11-07 14:11:04 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
I understand it all right. The rich buy the politicians and
the politicians give a huge tax break to the type of income
that is the major source of earnings for the rich. Its pretty
simple economics.
And then Congress sets it up to hide half the taxes that the
guy flipping burgers has to pay in the hope that no one
will notice the guy flipping burgers is paying a bigger
portion of his income than the billionaire is.
And then they send their minions out to ask me to cry
big crocodile tears for how unfairly the rich are being
treated.
It's SO unfair that some people are smarter and adapt to modern
society better than you do.
There you go again whining about what you imagine is unfair.
Post by Jim Wilkins
They must be punished for provoking your envy and dragged down to your
level, since you can't be expected to raise yourself to theirs.
What are you babbling about? Nobody has provoked
my envy. Doesn't matter to me whether you think life
is unfair.

#####
Then stop complaining.
First-Post
2013-11-06 22:39:44 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
You're lying. Plain and simple. The fact that you're afraid to give
the actual percentage that you paid just shows that you really have
jack shit to stand on.

Hamburger flippers aren't taxed at 15% you lying imbecile.
The average tax rate paid by people making $34,338 or less is 2.37%
according to the IRS.
You are a pathetic liar and have yet to back up a single goddamned lie
that you spew.

Those in that bottom tax bracket pay 2.4% of the total taxes paid
while earning 11.7% of the total AGI.

So by your logic THEY are due for a tax hike as well by your
ridiculous definition of what a "fair share" is asshole.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 00:31:12 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
You're lying. Plain and simple. The fact that you're afraid to give
the actual percentage that you paid just shows that you really have
jack shit to stand on.
Hamburger flippers aren't taxed at 15% you lying imbecile.
The fact that some of the tax bite is labeled "employer
contribution" doesn't fool anybody although the
millionaires in Congress who set it up may think
it does. The entire 15% is a tax bite on the wage earner.
Sancho Panza
2013-11-07 00:48:40 UTC
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more than
their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give Unca
Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
You're lying. Plain and simple. The fact that you're afraid to give
the actual percentage that you paid just shows that you really have
jack shit to stand on.
Hamburger flippers aren't taxed at 15% you lying imbecile.
The average tax rate paid by people making $34,338 or less is 2.37%
according to the IRS.
You are a pathetic liar and have yet to back up a single goddamned lie
that you spew.
Those in that bottom tax bracket pay 2.4% of the total taxes paid
while earning 11.7% of the total AGI.
So by your logic THEY are due for a tax hike as well by your
ridiculous definition of what a "fair share" is asshole.
The OP also ignores the payment aspects of the EIC. That is if he even
has a clue as to what the EIC is. At the rate he is spewing pure hooey,
I'll take the over on that one.




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2013-11-07 18:40:03 UTC
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On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:10:49 -0500, jim
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Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more
than their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give
Unca Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Then get upset with the Congress that passed those tax laws and the
presidents who signed them into law. Why get mad at the wealth who are
simply doing the same thing you do at tax time......look for deductions
and write-offs.
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RD (The Sandman}

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Ten bullets in the possession of a mother trying to protect
her children....may not be enough.

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Jim Wilkins
2013-11-07 18:45:33 UTC
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Then get upset with the Congress that passed those tax laws and the
presidents who signed them into law. Why get mad at the wealth who are
simply doing the same thing you do at tax time......look for
deductions
and write-offs.
RD (The Sandman}
They plan for them well before tax time.
Scout
2013-11-07 19:21:40 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Then get upset with the Congress that passed those tax laws and the
presidents who signed them into law. Why get mad at the wealth who are
simply doing the same thing you do at tax time......look for deductions
and write-offs.
RD (The Sandman}
They plan for them well before tax time.
As should anyone else with half a brain....
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-07 19:34:29 UTC
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:10:49 -0500, jim
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more
than their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give
Unca Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Then get upset with the Congress that passed those tax laws and the
presidents who signed them into law.
Are telling me I should get upset because the low income
wage earners are taxed at a higher rate than Romney reported
he pays? Why?
Post by RD Sandman
Why get mad at the wealth
You tell me why you are mad at them?

I haven't said anything about being mad at wealth.
RD Sandman
2013-11-07 20:03:34 UTC
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Post by Johnny Johnson
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Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 12:10:49 -0500, jim
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
In that case, you're full of shit, since the rich pay FAR more
than their fair share of income tax.
The income tax they pay covers 13% of federal spending while
they get 25% of income.
So tell us, Jimmie: what percentage of your gross income do you give
Unca Barack every year?
It is a higher percentage than Romney reported that he paid.
Even hamburger flippers have their wages taxed at 15%, which
is more than Romney claimed.
Then get upset with the Congress that passed those tax laws and the
presidents who signed them into law.
Are telling me I should get upset because the low income
wage earners are taxed at a higher rate than Romney reported
he pays? Why?
I'm not telling you to get upset at anybody or anything. That is up to
you but if you get upset over it, I suggested where you might place that
anger.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by RD Sandman
Why get mad at the wealth
You tell me why you are mad at them?
I haven't said anything about being mad at wealth.
Nor have I. I appreciate it.
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Harold Burton
2013-11-03 02:50:40 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
We're only talking about income tax.
That's right I'm only talking about income tax
Individual income tax only covers 1/3 of federal
expenditures.
Bingo, thank the Democrats for that.

snicker
Scout
2013-11-02 17:36:39 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn't even count income that doesn't show up
as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes, they do given the subject is income tax.
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
That means the rich get 25% of income and their
income tax payments cover about 13% of federal expenditures.
Yep, and we see a classic case of apples and oranges....

You want to change the goal post to total government expenditures yet you
wish to limit yourself to income tax payments only.

Well, I will simply state that BY YOUR OWN FUCKING STANDARD.....NO ONE PAYS
THEIR FAIR SHARE!

Looks like we need to cut the federal expenditures by 2/3 so that it matches
the income tax revenue they get....if we are to attempt to have everyone pay
their fair share.....
Rudy Canoza
2013-11-02 19:40:10 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
They do. Proved.
Harold Burton
2013-11-03 02:49:29 UTC
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Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn’t even count income that doesn’t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes they do
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
Cite?


OK, know where you're going. Most federal expenditures are things like
social security and medicare that should be covered by social security
and medicare payments, it's what the Democrats promised. Don't whine
because you democrats lied to us.

snicker
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
That means the rich get 25% of income and their
income tax payments cover about 13% of federal expenditures.
They are paying closer to half their share.
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
2013-11-03 11:43:21 UTC
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Post by Harold Burton
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Post by Rudy Canoza
The fortunate 400 people with the highest adjusted gross incomes still
made, on average, $202 million each in 2009, according to Internal Revenue
Service data. And this doesn�t even count income that doesn�t show up as
adjusted gross income, such as tax-exempt interest.
Yet the top 400 paid an average federal income tax rate
We're not interested in their "rate", you stupid fuckstain. HOW MUCH
DID THEY PAY?
In fact, fuckstain, the rich pay a larger share of tax than their share
of income. People in the top 1% receive about 25% of income, but they
pay 40% of total income tax.
The rich pay far more than their share.
No they don't.
Yes they do
Post by jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@
Income tax only covers 1/3 of federal expenditures.
Cite?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
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