Anti-gun activist and child pornographer

[John-Melb]

(SSANZ SSANZ) Newsletter - March/April 2005 Newsletter - March 2005

Gunsafe spokesman convicted

A Huntly lawyer (and Gunsafe spokesman) Mike Meyrick has been found
guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice after Judge Mike
Behrens, QC, released his reserved decision following a recent defended
hearing in the Hamilton District Court.

Meyrick wasn't a credible witness, the judge ruled.

Meyrick was originally charged with storing images of child pornography
in his computer, but the additional charge of attempting to pervert the
course of justice was laid after he allegedly took a computer tower
from his daughter's Auckland flat in September last year, hours
before police called to collect it.

Police were interested in the tower after allegations were made to them
about what it contained.

Mike Meyrick has repeatedly been used by Gunsafe as their number two
spokesman, whenever Philip Alpers was unable or unwilling to make
comment in the media. This was especially the case following Alpers
bungled appearance on TV3's "The Ralston Show", when Alpers
"blew it", by attacking official gun-safety programmes designed to
educate kids about safe firearm handling practices.

Even Bill Ralston found it incredulous that we should protect children
by educating them about the risks of drowning, stranger danger and
crossing the road, while Gunsafe's strategy for protecting kids from
firearm accidents was to keep them ignorant.

Thereafter, Gunsafe exclusively used Meyrick as their main spokesman -
for instance, he appeared on "The Holmes Show" to challenge SSANZ
after the Port Arthur tragedy. Meyrick traded on his being an ex-police
officer, despite the suggestion that he left the force in somewhat
dubious circumstances.

Since then he has occasionally appeared on TV, adopting an extremely
critical stance towards police, including making unsubstantiated claims
about police brutality. Meyrick subsequently worked as a lawyer in
Huntly.

Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Instead it has always self-appointed its own office bearers. For that
reason it is not clear whether Meyrick still holds his "Gunsafe
Spokesman" title.
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I wonder how many other anti-gun types their are out there with a
"thing" for children?

[e***@netpath.net]

Post by John-Melb
Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com

[Morton Davis]

Post by e***@netpath.net

Post by John-Melb
Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

THe "gun control movement" killed itself. The truth can't help them so they
lie 24/.7. In the early 1990s they could still get away with it because it
was still relatively difficult for the general public to gain access to
informastion. Today even the homeless have access to the Internet through
the public libraries. People access the Internet, run a few searches and the
truth spills out all over the place. The same affliction has also done in
the "anti war movement".

[CD]

Post by Morton Davis

Post by e***@netpath.net

Post by John-Melb
Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

THe "gun control movement" killed itself. The truth can't help them so they
lie 24/.7. In the early 1990s they could still get away with it because it
was still relatively difficult for the general public to gain access to
informastion. Today even the homeless have access to the Internet through
the public libraries. People access the Internet, run a few searches and the
truth spills out all over the place. The same affliction has also done in
the "anti war movement".

Yes, it seems the anti gun groups are experts at stretching the truth. Thank
god for the Australian Institute of criminology and other similar
organisations.

Chris

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by CD

Post by Morton Davis

Post by e***@netpath.net

Post by John-Melb
Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

THe "gun control movement" killed itself. The truth can't help them so they
lie 24/.7. In the early 1990s they could still get away with it because it
was still relatively difficult for the general public to gain access to
informastion. Today even the homeless have access to the Internet through
the public libraries. People access the Internet, run a few searches and the
truth spills out all over the place. The same affliction has also done in
the "anti war movement".

Yes, it seems the anti gun groups are experts at stretching the truth.

**Are they? What truths are they stretching? The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's? Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced? Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?

Thank

Post by CD
god for the Australian Institute of criminology and other similar
organisations.

**Indeed.

[John-Melb]

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Are they? What truths are they stretching? The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's? Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced? Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

Let's see now,

Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.

Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.

Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"

Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.

John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.

Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"

Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!

Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.

They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

[Cardigan]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Are they? What truths are they stretching? The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's? Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced? Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

Let's see now,
Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.
Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.
Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"
Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.
John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.
Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"
Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!
Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.
They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

Ha Ha Ha, that's beautiful.

Be careful what you wish for Trevor, you might just get it, you
certainly got it this time!

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Are they? What truths are they stretching? The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's? Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced? Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

Let's see now,
Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"

**I've provided the proof that Mauser misleads with his poor use of data.
You have not argued the fact. Therefore, I am correct, 'till proven
otherwise.

Post by John-Melb
Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.

**That would be incorrect. However, you may provide a cite to back up your
claim.

Post by John-Melb
John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.

**Cite please.

Post by John-Melb
Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"

**Cite please.

Post by John-Melb
Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!

**If that were true, it would be a ridiculous claim.

Post by John-Melb
Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.

**Bad form, if true.

Post by John-Melb
They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

**I listed some at the start. Care to discuss those facts?

[John-Melb]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

Your assertions could only apply to this Act, as it was the FIRST act
passed by the English Parliament which attempted control of privately
owned guns. It introduced licences for the public carriage of pistols
with a barrle length of less than nine inches.

A previous act, the Gun Act of of 1870 placed no controls whatsoever
on the private ownership of arms apart from payment of a fee for
public carriage of arms. It was a tax law, not a gun law.

The 1870 Gun Act never applied to the Australian colonies.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

I can read, your assertion about what you said or didn't say
notwithstanding. You've claimed an audit of government owned arms was
a gun control law, you're wrong (sigh, again) I'm not interested in
manafactured history, ancient or modern.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"

**I've provided the proof that Mauser misleads with his poor use of data.
You have not argued the fact. Therefore, I am correct, 'till proven
otherwise.

You've provided unsubstantiated assertions and opinion pieces from
anti-gun lobby groups, nothing more.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.

**That would be incorrect. However, you may provide a cite to back up your
claim.

That is 100% correct, reference to follow.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.

"The SSA complained about some aspects of this coverage, which
included a comment by the President of Gun Control Australia about the
adequacy of storage regulations for handguns. It said that by
publishing erroneous claims about Government safekeeping requirements
for privately-owned firearms, the Herald Sun had distorted facts, and
breached several other Press Council principles."
and
"especially as the paper admitted its error on the matter of storage
regulations.."

In the artilce "Police want better guns" published by the Herald Sun
in July 2000, the reporters quoted a previous press release from "Gun
Control Australia" regarding safekeeping requirements for collectors
licences. In subsequent hearings by both the APC and the MEAA-AJA the
Herald Sun reporters admited the information contained in the press
release, which they relied on in writing their article, was false.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"

**Cite please.

Notes taken by me at a "Gun Control" conference held in Melbourne
circa 1994, I will post the exact dates shortly. The quote was carried
as a sound byte on the Channel 10 news that hight.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!

**If that were true, it would be a ridiculous claim.

Werribee Banner April 1 1991.Laurie Levy claimed that every duck
season dumped 40.000 tonnes of lead shot into Victoria's wetlands. A
subsequent issue sheet released by SSAA(Vic) showed that for this
assertion to be true, it would require every licecned duck shooter in
the state to spend just over $104,000 AUD per season on cartridges.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.

**Bad form, if true.

Werribee Banner August 1st 1994. Not bad form at all, just typical.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

**I listed some at the start. Care to discuss those facts?
--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

[John-Melb]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

Your assertions could only apply to this Act, as it was the FIRST act
passed by the English Parliament which attempted control of privately
owned guns. It introduced licences for the public carriage of pistols
with a barrle length of less than nine inches.
A previous act, the Gun Act of of 1870 placed no controls whatsoever
on the private ownership of arms apart from payment of a fee for
public carriage of arms. It was a tax law, not a gun law.
The 1870 Gun Act never applied to the Australian colonies.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

I can read, your assertion about what you said or didn't say
notwithstanding. You've claimed an audit of government owned arms was
a gun control law, you're wrong (sigh, again) I'm not interested in
manafactured history, ancient or modern.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"

**I've provided the proof that Mauser misleads with his poor use of data.
You have not argued the fact. Therefore, I am correct, 'till proven
otherwise.

You've provided unsubstantiated assertions and opinion pieces from
anti-gun lobby groups, nothing more.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.

**That would be incorrect. However, you may provide a cite to back up your
claim.

That is 100% correct, reference to follow.

Try Melbourne Herlad Sun 4th March 1996, Law report written by Faye
Burstyn

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.

"The SSA complained about some aspects of this coverage, which
included a comment by the President of Gun Control Australia about the
adequacy of storage regulations for handguns. It said that by
publishing erroneous claims about Government safekeeping requirements
for privately-owned firearms, the Herald Sun had distorted facts, and
breached several other Press Council principles."
and
"especially as the paper admitted its error on the matter of storage
regulations.."
In the artilce "Police want better guns" published by the Herald Sun
in July 2000, the reporters quoted a previous press release from "Gun
Control Australia" regarding safekeeping requirements for collectors
licences. In subsequent hearings by both the APC and the MEAA-AJA the
Herald Sun reporters admited the information contained in the press
release, which they relied on in writing their article, was false.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"

**Cite please.

Notes taken by me at a "Gun Control" conference held in Melbourne
circa 1994, I will post the exact dates shortly. The quote was carried
as a sound byte on the Channel 10 news that hight.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!

**If that were true, it would be a ridiculous claim.

Werribee Banner April 1 1991.Laurie Levy claimed that every duck
season dumped 40.000 tonnes of lead shot into Victoria's wetlands. A
subsequent issue sheet released by SSAA(Vic) showed that for this
assertion to be true, it would require every licecned duck shooter in
the state to spend just over $104,000 AUD per season on cartridges.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.

**Bad form, if true.

Werribee Banner August 1st 1994. Not bad form at all, just typical.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

**I listed some at the start. Care to discuss those facts?
--
Trevor Wilsonwww.rageaudio.com.au
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that the British Pistol Act of 1903(the first
British gun control law) effected the Australian colonies prior to
Federation in 1901.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

Your assertions could only apply to this Act, as it was the FIRST act
passed by the English Parliament which attempted control of privately
owned guns. It introduced licences for the public carriage of pistols
with a barrle length of less than nine inches.
A previous act, the Gun Act of of 1870 placed no controls whatsoever
on the private ownership of arms apart from payment of a fee for
public carriage of arms. It was a tax law, not a gun law.
The 1870 Gun Act never applied to the Australian colonies.

**Non-sequitur. Read what I wrote.

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that audits of Government owned arms at sydney
Cove in 1796 and again in 1803 were "gun control" laws.

**Wrong. Learn to read, idiot.

I can read, your assertion about what you said or didn't say
notwithstanding. You've claimed an audit of government owned arms was
a gun control law, you're wrong (sigh, again) I'm not interested in
manafactured history, ancient or modern.

**I don't care about your considered legal opinion. It is wrong.

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Trevor Wilson's claim that his repeated assertions that Professor
Mauser is a rogue are "proof" and "fact"

**I've provided the proof that Mauser misleads with his poor use of data.
You have not argued the fact. Therefore, I am correct, 'till proven
otherwise.

You've provided unsubstantiated assertions and opinion pieces from
anti-gun lobby groups, nothing more.

**And again you demonstrate that you did not even read what I wrote. THAT is
what makes you a fool. I proved logically, that Mauser was wrong. There is
no need to import outside information into the discussion, as Mauser makes
conclusions which are based on faulty logic. And you suck those conclusions
up, as if they are fact.

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Philip Alpers (GunsafeNZ)claim that most murders are committed by
licenced shooters using legal guns.

**That would be incorrect. However, you may provide a cite to back up your
claim.

That is 100% correct, reference to follow.

**[SIGH]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
John Crook's (GCA)claim regarding legislated safekeeping requirements
for firearms collectors that were so wrong that a journalist who
relied on them in writng a story got himself in trouble with the
ethics committee of the Journalist's Association.

"The SSA complained about some aspects of this coverage, which
included a comment by the President of Gun Control Australia about the
adequacy of storage regulations for handguns. It said that by
publishing erroneous claims about Government safekeeping requirements
for privately-owned firearms, the Herald Sun had distorted facts, and
breached several other Press Council principles."
and
"especially as the paper admitted its error on the matter of storage
regulations.."
In the artilce "Police want better guns" published by the Herald Sun
in July 2000, the reporters quoted a previous press release from "Gun
Control Australia" regarding safekeeping requirements for collectors
licences. In subsequent hearings by both the APC and the MEAA-AJA the
Herald Sun reporters admited the information contained in the press
release, which they relied on in writing their article, was false.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Jan Shield's (Austraian Forum to Control Guns) claim, whilst
discussing gun control laws in Australia, that the most likely usage
of a gun was to "shoot somebody"

**Cite please.

Notes taken by me at a "Gun Control" conference held in Melbourne
circa 1994, I will post the exact dates shortly. The quote was carried
as a sound byte on the Channel 10 news that hight.

**Lack of cite duly noted.

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Laurie Levie's (CADS) claim that each duck season resulted in 40,000
tonnes of lead shot being dumped into Victoria's wetlands. It was
worked out for this to be true, EVERY licenced duckshooter in the
state of Victoria would have to spend just over $104,000 AUD a season
on cartridges!

**If that were true, it would be a ridiculous claim.

Werribee Banner April 1 1991.Laurie Levy claimed that every duck
season dumped 40.000 tonnes of lead shot into Victoria's wetlands. A
subsequent issue sheet released by SSAA(Vic) showed that for this
assertion to be true, it would require every licecned duck shooter in
the state to spend just over $104,000 AUD per season on cartridges.

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
Cathy Cassar's (GROAN) claim, whilst discussing extensions to a local
gun club with a journalist from the "Werribee Banner" and subsequently
reported by that journalist, that she was not involved in any anti-
gun political lobby group.

**Bad form, if true.

Werribee Banner August 1st 1994. Not bad form at all, just typical.

**[SIGH]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by John-Melb
They should do for starters, If you like Trevor, I'll find you some
more we can discuss?

**I listed some at the start. Care to discuss those facts?

**Still don't want to discuss some facts?

Typical.

[John-Melb]

"**[SIGH] "

Yes Trevor, I can understand your frustration at being associated with
political lobby groups that have been found to be a bunch of bloody
liars.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by John-Melb
"**[SIGH] "
Yes Trevor, I can understand your frustration at being associated with
political lobby groups that have been found to be a bunch of bloody
liars.

**Nope. Just my frustration at you misunderstanding my words. Several times.
That, combined with your continued inability to address my comments and
questions, leaves me saddened.

[John-Melb]

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Nope. Just my frustration at you misunderstanding my words. Several times.
That, combined with your continued inability to address my comments and
questions, leaves me saddened.

Whats to misunderstand?
You asserted that British gun control laws were enforced in the
Australian colonies prior to federation

I proved that assertion wrong.

You asserted that audits of Government held arms in colonial Sydney in
1796 and 1803 were gun control laws. (The Victorian government also
conducted an audit of arms in 1855, I'm surprised you haven't claimed
this was a gun control law too.)

I proved that assertion wrong

You asserted that my reference to claims made by Philip Alpers
regarding murders committed by licenced shooters and legal gun was
incorrect.

I proved that assertion wrong.

You continue to bleat about Mauser, without providing any independent
material to support your claim, instead continuing to post opinion and
rantings from anti-gun lobby groups.

Opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one, why would I waste my
time arguing against your opinion? Like I care enough about your
opinion to bother with it.

[Trevor Wilson]

Post by John-Melb

Post by Trevor Wilson
**Nope. Just my frustration at you misunderstanding my words. Several times.
That, combined with your continued inability to address my comments and
questions, leaves me saddened.

Whats to misunderstand?

**Read what you wrote, then read my answer. It'll come to you. Maybe. Well,
it would if you were as smart as you claim to be.

Post by John-Melb
You asserted that British gun control laws were enforced in the
Australian colonies prior to federation
I proved that assertion wrong.

**No, you did not.

Post by John-Melb
You asserted that audits of Government held arms in colonial Sydney in
1796 and 1803 were gun control laws. (The Victorian government also
conducted an audit of arms in 1855, I'm surprised you haven't claimed
this was a gun control law too.)
I proved that assertion wrong

**No, you did not. You provided your OPINION, that they were not gun control
laws. Your opinion is just that - an opinion.

Post by John-Melb
You asserted that my reference to claims made by Philip Alpers
regarding murders committed by licenced shooters and legal gun was
incorrect.

**Incorrect.

Post by John-Melb
I proved that assertion wrong.

**Non-sequitur.

Post by John-Melb
You continue to bleat about Mauser, without providing any independent
material to support your claim, instead continuing to post opinion and
rantings from anti-gun lobby groups.

**Mauser has demonstrated by his own faulty logic, that his paper is
worthless. Read it and my critique again.

Post by John-Melb
Opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one, why would I waste my
time arguing against your opinion? Like I care enough about your
opinion to bother with it.

**And yet, you continue to respond.....

[John-Melb]

Post by Trevor Wilson
**And yet, you continue to respond.....

Only because it aggrivates you.

When are you going to explain your support of media suppression of
relevant available facts?

[o***@yahoo.com]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 11:53:41 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by CD

Post by Morton Davis

Post by e***@netpath.net

Post by John-Melb
Gunsafe, a small but vociferous anti-gun lobby group that (thankfully)
seems to have virtually self-destructed in recent times, is a private
trust, not an incorporated society, thus it is not required to hold
annual elections.

Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

THe "gun control movement" killed itself. The truth can't help them so they
lie 24/.7. In the early 1990s they could still get away with it because it
was still relatively difficult for the general public to gain access to
informastion. Today even the homeless have access to the Internet through
the public libraries. People access the Internet, run a few searches and the
truth spills out all over the place. The same affliction has also done in
the "anti war movement".

Yes, it seems the anti gun groups are experts at stretching the truth.

**Are they? What truths are they stretching?

14 kids a day are killed by guns

Post by Trevor Wilson
The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's?

No change there, so?

Post by Trevor Wilson
Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced?

Yep - the criminals just changed methods.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?

Another truth: The good Australian has been deprived of the most
effective self defense tool.

Post by Trevor Wilson
Thank

Post by CD
god for the Australian Institute of criminology and other similar
organisations.

**Indeed.
--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Benj]

Post by Trevor Wilson

Post by CD
Yes, it seems the anti gun groups are experts at stretching the truth.

**Are they? What truths are they stretching? The one which shows that the US
homicide rate via the use of firearms is TEN times that of Australia's, or
TWENTY times that of the UK's? Or that the mass murder rate in Australia,
via the use of firearms, has fallen dramatically, since the introduction of
the 1996 gun control laws? Or that gun related crimes have fallen in
Australia, since the 1996 gun control laws were introduced? Those truths? Or
do you have something else in mind?

Trevor Wilson answers his own question....

[Benj]

Post by e***@netpath.net
Even the very-antigun Washington Post said about the same of the
American antigun lobby - that it has gotten nowhere in the past 13
years due to lacking any grassroots to pester congresscritters and
state legislators, while the gun-rights groups do have a major
grassroots in seemingly every congressional district to pester
congresscritters whenever a key vote comes up.

Which is of course, why the Dimocrats just tried to push through a
bill making grassroots politicing illegal! They seem to have
failed...for now!